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The collision of truth, culture, and the Divine.

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The collision of truth, culture, and the Divine.

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In each episode, All That to Say engages fresh minds on the front lines of what matters. From cable news to incarceration, global warming to gospel music, economics to income inequality, this podcast fearlessly confronts the paradoxes of truth, the paradigms of culture, and the presence of the Divine.

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HOST

JIM LYON

Jim is a thought leader and teacher

who believes that a good idea is usually

preceded by a better question.

HOST

JIM LYON

Jim is a thought leader and teacher who believes that a good idea is usually preceded by a better question.

EPISODES

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Listen in for fearless conversations with these fresh minds.

Season 2 Guests

Pistole

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In this interview, Anderson University president and former FBI deputy director John Pistole shares stories about George W. Bush, his time in Washington, D.C., and how his faith grounds him in his work.

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In this intimate interview, Christian Hip Hop artist Allen Swoope talks about the influences of Livingston Taylor and Charles Myricks, Jr., and explores the intersection of faith and culture.

Ben Sand

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A conversation with Portland, Oregon-based Ben Sand, as he imagines a new paradigm of mobilizing around Black community, and empowering leaders for the common good.

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Ready to Rise author Jo Saxton has a long, intersectional conversation about women’s empowerment as a strategy for building a stronger country, church, and culture.

Sandi Patty

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An intimate conversation with Christian vocal artist Sandi Patty as she reflects on the future of the music industry, her interactions with Ronald Reagan and Barbara Bush, and the evangelical church.

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